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hotpopcorn 01-16-2009 02:28 AM

Re: Vertical vs horizontal fist
 
i ain't arguing ,the other guy is saying insect kung fu is faggotty and kung fu is weak ,im just saying if its possible in jujitsu to get away from multi attackers and every style has its weaknes

SOUL_FIGHTER 01-16-2009 02:57 AM

Re: Vertical vs horizontal fist
 
Kung Fu guys have all sorts of propaganda.

Judo being based on Mongolian Wrestling? Your video was from 1940's. Judo's been around since 1880's. Judo is based on Jiu Jitsu and other grappling styles, like wrestling. And I'm sure the Mongolians weren't wrestling before the Greeks.

JollyRoger 01-16-2009 06:32 AM

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[youtube=425,350]P_fW_gwAI9k[/youtube]

Begin at 4:30

Sorry, this is a little off the current topic, the video's experiment is extremely skewed and 1 dimensional but it is interesting none the less. At 4:30 it starts with a kung fu style vertical fist, then a Karate Straight Punch, Tae Kwon Do punch, then a Boxing straight cross.

And yes, I do realize the size difference between the First wushu practitioner and the Boxer. Also notice all the martial artists use small 2 ounce mma or point sparring gloves, the boxer uses full sized 16 ounce bag gloves.....

SOUL_FIGHTER 01-16-2009 07:19 AM

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That wushu guy is a faggot
You saw him claim to be able to hit faster than a snake?

Then goes and slaps the bag as fast as he can? I'd fight that guy ANYDAY and beat his ass ANYDAY. Fucking chump. Bruce Lee wannabe fag.

JollyRoger 01-16-2009 10:48 AM

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Yeah, having a Wushu practitioner demonstrate actual striking (and therefore representing kung fu as a whole) is dumb in my opinion. Wushu is a a performance art more than a fighting art....they are trained to be acrobats not fighters.

Even if I did think that a vertical fist was better, I'd be embarrassed that he's the one doing it.

DaeronX 01-16-2009 03:00 PM

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hahaha and he´s tiny!

chexmix323 01-16-2009 03:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpopcorn
Quote:

i guess my major point is, if kung fu was so deadly, then why isn't it used by even the chinese army?
i have spoken to "masters" at kung fu and they claim i coudn't hip throw them, cuz they could use a pressure point on me. my poked me lower back and i still threw them. then he said"your not doing it right".
its cause its never been heard of before just like judo i think the origin of judo was Mongolian wrestling ,when you watch Mongolian its doesn't look serious as judo is ,like watch this [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlHQ4Hef6o&feature=channel_page[/youtube]

cornish wrestling in wales(or scotland i think) has the exactly same technices as judo does. a shoulder throw and ippon seonage, rear heel trip and de ashi gari are the exactt same thing.

did early man for the british isle and japan have contact with each other? mostly likely no. yet the similarites between the 2(compaired to mongolian and wrestling and judo) are much more similer.

compair mongolian and turkish wrestling. there much more like each other.

pankration and daito ryu jujitsu

amzonian and nubian and native american wrestling

nubian boxing and point sparring.

kuruash and judo(-the matwork and leg grabs and kuruash is 100% like judo, yet comes from the urkraine?)

these are all things that look exactly alike yet have had no way to grow off of each other. chinese/japanise/mongolian culture and war fare was all similer, so you must expect some simularites there.

there is also evidense judo and sumo developed off each other alot like pankration and wrestling did.

2000 years sumo/jujitsu were the same thing as the years went by sumo became a sport with rules(think mma in 500AD.)
jijutsu was still used to kill.

1500AD sumo became much more sportly and had even more rules.
jujitsu was used to armored warfare to maim.

2000 AD sumo is a sport with so developed that is has turned into a very diffrent sport.

jujitsu has developed in many other branches(judo kinda turned the popularity into it...1990's it was bjj's turn).
it is now used for sport and selfdefense ect.

the reson why historians thing japanse developed it;s own martial arts since the "city states"(think spart,athens,delphi, ect.) were ALWAYS at war with each other. they developed there own fighting system(sysmiler to pankration huh WEIRD!?!?!?) because it was a similer situation.

judo is a modified style of 3 styles of jujitsu.

jigoro kano (founder of judo and JUJITSU EXPERT) had no experaince with mongolian wrestling( if anything it was wrestling, he credits the kata guruma for a firemans carry he learned).

to me sanshou and muay thai look exactly the same, but ask soul, or juno and they can tell you all diffrances that compleatly change the aspect of it.


cliffs
-just because it looks the same doesn;t mean it is.
-there are martial arts that look the same all around the words(nubian wrestling and amazonian wrestling)


DaeronX 01-16-2009 08:06 PM

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I´ve realized after that sout america has no form of martial art whatsoever... apart from bjj which is quite modern.. oh and capoeira doesnt fuking count

and i was just wondering where was MMA created? cuz valetudo is quite old too 1920s...

but im quite impressed Peru has its own form of Kung Fu

Llama Rumi Maki

This system is concentrated in punches, blocks and all attacks referred to hands. The first level is an indigenous form of pugilism, it contains techniques of striking with the fists, open handed, elbows, claws and head butts.

Alpaca Rumi Maki

This system focuses on all about foots and knees, how to attack and defend with them. The second level makes use of the legs to attack as well as block, parry and neutralize an adversaries attack.

Vicuņa Rumi Maki

This system is about grappling and hand to hand combat

Condor Rumi Maki

This system is all about jumping and falling attacks, like flying kicks, that's why the name of condor.

Sun Rumi Maki

Although the last 4 systems are independent, this one is the combination of all them and is the maximum degree of Rumi Maki, here is also included weaponry and mixes from other martial art systems to make this martial art grow.


As u can see they are named after the animals, and welll Sun, its the GOD who all this animals praise... omg this is soo chinese XD the 12 animals of chinese zodiac where called by the deity bleh...

hotpopcorn 01-17-2009 03:28 PM

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Mongolians wrestling was used in battle and they first one to try to take over Asia ,they were whey first here then the Japaneses people

chexmix323 01-18-2009 07:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpopcorn
Mongolians wrestling was used in battle and they first one to try to take over Asia ,they were whey first here then the Japaneses people

the mongols never took over japan.
the were primarly horse archers. gengis kahn used wrestling because he felt it was good for fitness.

you show me ONE document of the mongols using wrestling as there preferd fighting style over the supiority of using a horse and a bow and arrow.

sorry but wasn't the greek people first to take over asian minor? then romans?(think they got to india).

the object of mongolian wrestling is to make an opponent touch anything but his feet to the ground.

judo is to slam an opponent on the beack or pin/ armbar/choke an opponent.

if mongolian people were there first(you need to study the historical travels of peoples) then the turkish were before them.

the before that the greeks and romans.

and before that the africans people.

mongolian wrestling
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pkistany wrestling wrestling
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pankration
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african wrestling.
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by the time the mongols had there style of wrestling the japanise were also fighting in yaware(i think it;s that). whichs is wrestling with locks of wristlocks (from what i have read).

if the japanse took there style from the chinese/mongols then why are the styles so diffrent?


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